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Comment by Jonathon on 2007-08-16 at 11:49:57:

I think that your big bang theory is ok although it has a few flaws. Quantum theory points toward there being a God. After all the Bible says the Universe was created from nothing. That is quantum theory as you earlier said. God didn't say that there wasn't a big bang and he doesn't go into detail on how he created the Earth. For all we know he could have created it that way. The Big Bang and religion can match each other perfectly after all if you look at it from everything you know you cannot create a house from blowing up pieces of wood.

Comment by OJB on 2007-08-16 at 14:44:08:

You say the Big Bang has flaws (which I agree with) but what do you think those flaws are? Saying that the Big Bang and religion agree is a bit misleading because you are just making use of the vague nature of religious beliefs. The Bible gives a specific sequence of creation events which is definitely wrong. Re-interpret it all you like, but in the end the religious creation myth is useless, first because its so imprecise it could be interpreted many ways; and second, because where it does make specific statements we find they are wrong.

Comment by Anonymous on 2007-08-28 at 15:59:04:

How can you believe a theory when it doesn't agree with what the laws of science say? The Big Bang says matter came from nothing. Physics says matter can't be created or destroyed. How do you explain that?

Comment by OJB on 2007-08-28 at 16:08:58:

Yes, that is a tricky question all right. There are several possible explanations, but I have to admit that at this problem might not be answered until a new theory of "quantum gravity" can be devised. Current theories can only go back a certain time, then they fail. Note that this in no way supports a supernatural explanation. That's the classic "God of the gaps" fallacy.

Anyway, here's a few ideas. First, according to quantum theory, matter can be created and destroyed, but only if the total energy involved is very low. Strangely enough, the total energy of the universe is close to zero, so it call all be existing thanks to "borrowed energy".

Second, its possible that the universe is eternal and what we see at the Big Bang is just a local phenomenon of the part of the bigger universe we can't see. If the universe always existed (and always will exist) the creation problem goes away (well, sort of).

Third, its possible out universe is part of a bigger "multiverse". there might be phenomena in the multiverse which just naturally create universes. This is somewhat speculative, of course.

No matter what you choose to believe it doesn't help in any argument for god because any objection to the creation of the universe can also be applied to god. For example: if the universe couldn't be created from nothing then neither could god, so where did he come from? if the universe can't have existed forever then neither could god, so what was it like before he existed? See what I mean?

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